We are past due in dealing with reality, but I am praying that we have not passed the poiunt of no return. So let's get real and do what needs to be done.
I have gone through a lot of grief in my life. My husband and I lost both sets of parents, two daughters, and an infant granddaughter in the span of 12 years! The reality of death severely and painfully slapped us right in the face. Death is Real, so we appreciate each day! We treasure the experience of life each day. It is a gift!
As someone real who lives in Florida, I am seeing a lot of destruction. I am also seeing a lot of neighbors checking in on neighbors and helping each other or at the very least offering help. Trust is low for losing what it is they have left to would be thieves.
That's what I am seeing and it is sad (the last part) but it is also true.
Yes, get real. Nothing about Ian was biblical. It is us. And we tend to be myopic about what is happening on our Planet. Just North of us is a large body of water, the Artic Ocean. It is melting at 4 times it’s previous rate. That Ocean controls our climate all the way to the Gulfstream, which is deteriorating as I write this.
And as the Gulfstream collapses, all of Europe especially England and Ireland will be effected. Their temperatures will turn much colder.
Florida has been controlled by deniers for over 20 years. What you reap you will sow. Reality is what is needed.
I think serious discussion needs to be done about building in areas that are going to be possible targets for future storms. We need to consider buffer zones that are natural areas that can absorb storms and just provide recreational areas for humans, and not housing. The damage is too hard to absorb financially and mentally.
I think it would be grand if the Commonwealth of Massachusetts offered to deputize the Venezuelans into its state's EPA, equip them with meaningful supplies, and give them a task of helping salvage things in Florida in a way that untrained persons can do. They are likely more fit and capable than many Americans of their age. It would give them a chance to express their appreciation to America by hard work; and of course, their response would likely be most energetic. If they seem particularly devoted to Making Florida Great Again, perhaps their residence would be eagerly welcomed by the locals.
I don't mean to sound argumentative on this topic, but - address it how? How much change, how soon? That's a question for Reality, not the matter of coming to terms with the likelihood of AGW, which is an arm-chair discussion. The usual American method of intelligent discussion is quarreling between people with mutual contempt, which produces, as we have seen, nothing. (e.g. the Republican platform.)
I am not cherry-picking facts. It is undeniable that the earth has been a warming period for 20,000 years. Not one scientist denys this. It is a fact. Now has the earth been warming faster then before, absolutely. There is no denying that fact. What do you find that scares you so. I'm not denying the fact the earth is warming at an alarming rate. But you however are denying the fact that the earth has been in a 20,000 year warming trend. Dies it really scare you that someone who thinks different then you can actually be correct on something even though that same person agreed with you on your point of contention
I'll dispute that, because it is an example of the "coastline paradox." For example, how long is the coastline of Maine? If you measure with a long ruler, it's a certain length. If you measure sequentially with a shorter ruler, which bends in and out with the bays and capes, it measures out to a longer length. The shorter the ruler, the longer the length.
We are stuck with a tiny history of actual climate measurement, although the physical evidence, from ice core samples, is longer. The concern is that over 100 years, there has been an uptick in the rate of warming. How significant is that, as compared to longer measurements? Sure, we can say it is warmer now than 100 years ago. But how does that affect theory and the predictability of ongoing measurements?
I'm disagreeing with you, because I'm uncertain myself. I have yet to find a solid fact to hold onto in the argument.
I agree with you about the uptick in the past 100 years, it is happening faster then before. All I was saying is that for 20,000 years, except for small blips like after mount pinatubo erupted, we have been warming, slowly .
Who recalls this, "We've been conditioned to think that only politicians can solve our problems. But at some point, maybe we will wake up and recognize that it was politicians who created our problems."
The need for responsible and realistic government in each State and local city council are real. That's where realistic planning should start. Each money hungry real estate developer and contractor should be realistic and responsible; each city government should be willing and ready to take the responsibility; each State government should be willing and ready to take responsibility if the locals aren't. Waiting for your elected federal lawmakers to do the job for you means you choose to wait, and then you have to take whatever they come up with. Or not. To all you folks who read Dan's words and praise him - what have you been doing? What have I been doing? Absolutely nothing up to now except letters to the local newspaper, and responses like this on facebook. Unless you want to count my yard which looks like a jungle where plant and insect life grow unfettered by anything except neighborhood drift of insecticides and herbicides. Don't know if that helps avoid a natural disaster in this location or not. Will have to wait and see. Right?
Whether or not AGW is or is not certain, we can act to remove the "moral hazard" of allowing people to build on climatologically dangerous areas, and then insure them over and over again for their losses. For human habitation, one may say that certain areas are "one and done" and the owner and the developer bear the entire financial risk. That's fair.
Being real to me is the same as being in black and white, get it in writing. Until we can become pen and paper real our Spiritual motivations won't matter. The Spirit is willing but not always able and is the same as the flesh, being weak. Because fear is a liar, and is stopping us from being real. I love you, Mr. Rather, thank you for your positive influence.
There are several issues here - politics and decency - which have become inconsistent for Republicans who overwhelming prioritize politics over any shred of decency. Democrats are raising the fact that DeSantis, when he was a member of the House, voted against providing relief to victims of Hurricane Sandy, and now he is requesting assistance for victims of Hurricane Ian from a President he has continually disrespected. Those with decency, while they abhor DeSantis''s lack of it, prioritize helping the unfortunate over DeSantis''s lack of moral compass. The question I ask is: If DeSantis were President, would he deny emergency assistance to a blue state that didn't support him the same way he voted to deny assistance to victims of Hurricane Sandy. And if he did, would that make any difference to his base, including evangelicals?
They are also aware of the cost, so to mitigate their losses, they are somewhat forced to accept the benefit.
Thank you again for the wakeup call, Mr. Rather.
We are past due in dealing with reality, but I am praying that we have not passed the poiunt of no return. So let's get real and do what needs to be done.
I have gone through a lot of grief in my life. My husband and I lost both sets of parents, two daughters, and an infant granddaughter in the span of 12 years! The reality of death severely and painfully slapped us right in the face. Death is Real, so we appreciate each day! We treasure the experience of life each day. It is a gift!
As someone real who lives in Florida, I am seeing a lot of destruction. I am also seeing a lot of neighbors checking in on neighbors and helping each other or at the very least offering help. Trust is low for losing what it is they have left to would be thieves.
That's what I am seeing and it is sad (the last part) but it is also true.
Raven
Yes, get real. Nothing about Ian was biblical. It is us. And we tend to be myopic about what is happening on our Planet. Just North of us is a large body of water, the Artic Ocean. It is melting at 4 times it’s previous rate. That Ocean controls our climate all the way to the Gulfstream, which is deteriorating as I write this.
And as the Gulfstream collapses, all of Europe especially England and Ireland will be effected. Their temperatures will turn much colder.
Florida has been controlled by deniers for over 20 years. What you reap you will sow. Reality is what is needed.
Thank you again, Dan.
I can agree with your comment
I think serious discussion needs to be done about building in areas that are going to be possible targets for future storms. We need to consider buffer zones that are natural areas that can absorb storms and just provide recreational areas for humans, and not housing. The damage is too hard to absorb financially and mentally.
I think it would be grand if the Commonwealth of Massachusetts offered to deputize the Venezuelans into its state's EPA, equip them with meaningful supplies, and give them a task of helping salvage things in Florida in a way that untrained persons can do. They are likely more fit and capable than many Americans of their age. It would give them a chance to express their appreciation to America by hard work; and of course, their response would likely be most energetic. If they seem particularly devoted to Making Florida Great Again, perhaps their residence would be eagerly welcomed by the locals.
Climate change is not political, yet some make it so. We all will suffer if we don't address it! Wake up people, please!
I don't mean to sound argumentative on this topic, but - address it how? How much change, how soon? That's a question for Reality, not the matter of coming to terms with the likelihood of AGW, which is an arm-chair discussion. The usual American method of intelligent discussion is quarreling between people with mutual contempt, which produces, as we have seen, nothing. (e.g. the Republican platform.)
We are deeply fortunate to have Dan’s clear insight into reality……..
Thank you, Dan, please keeping your veggies 😊
Marc
I am not cherry-picking facts. It is undeniable that the earth has been a warming period for 20,000 years. Not one scientist denys this. It is a fact. Now has the earth been warming faster then before, absolutely. There is no denying that fact. What do you find that scares you so. I'm not denying the fact the earth is warming at an alarming rate. But you however are denying the fact that the earth has been in a 20,000 year warming trend. Dies it really scare you that someone who thinks different then you can actually be correct on something even though that same person agreed with you on your point of contention
I'll dispute that, because it is an example of the "coastline paradox." For example, how long is the coastline of Maine? If you measure with a long ruler, it's a certain length. If you measure sequentially with a shorter ruler, which bends in and out with the bays and capes, it measures out to a longer length. The shorter the ruler, the longer the length.
We are stuck with a tiny history of actual climate measurement, although the physical evidence, from ice core samples, is longer. The concern is that over 100 years, there has been an uptick in the rate of warming. How significant is that, as compared to longer measurements? Sure, we can say it is warmer now than 100 years ago. But how does that affect theory and the predictability of ongoing measurements?
I'm disagreeing with you, because I'm uncertain myself. I have yet to find a solid fact to hold onto in the argument.
I agree with you about the uptick in the past 100 years, it is happening faster then before. All I was saying is that for 20,000 years, except for small blips like after mount pinatubo erupted, we have been warming, slowly .
The question becomes, "Are we willing to pay the price 'Getting Real' will cost?" We shall see.
And who are “we?”
All of us.
Who recalls this, "We've been conditioned to think that only politicians can solve our problems. But at some point, maybe we will wake up and recognize that it was politicians who created our problems."
Dr. Ben Carson
The need for responsible and realistic government in each State and local city council are real. That's where realistic planning should start. Each money hungry real estate developer and contractor should be realistic and responsible; each city government should be willing and ready to take the responsibility; each State government should be willing and ready to take responsibility if the locals aren't. Waiting for your elected federal lawmakers to do the job for you means you choose to wait, and then you have to take whatever they come up with. Or not. To all you folks who read Dan's words and praise him - what have you been doing? What have I been doing? Absolutely nothing up to now except letters to the local newspaper, and responses like this on facebook. Unless you want to count my yard which looks like a jungle where plant and insect life grow unfettered by anything except neighborhood drift of insecticides and herbicides. Don't know if that helps avoid a natural disaster in this location or not. Will have to wait and see. Right?
Whether or not AGW is or is not certain, we can act to remove the "moral hazard" of allowing people to build on climatologically dangerous areas, and then insure them over and over again for their losses. For human habitation, one may say that certain areas are "one and done" and the owner and the developer bear the entire financial risk. That's fair.
Being real to me is the same as being in black and white, get it in writing. Until we can become pen and paper real our Spiritual motivations won't matter. The Spirit is willing but not always able and is the same as the flesh, being weak. Because fear is a liar, and is stopping us from being real. I love you, Mr. Rather, thank you for your positive influence.
There are several issues here - politics and decency - which have become inconsistent for Republicans who overwhelming prioritize politics over any shred of decency. Democrats are raising the fact that DeSantis, when he was a member of the House, voted against providing relief to victims of Hurricane Sandy, and now he is requesting assistance for victims of Hurricane Ian from a President he has continually disrespected. Those with decency, while they abhor DeSantis''s lack of it, prioritize helping the unfortunate over DeSantis''s lack of moral compass. The question I ask is: If DeSantis were President, would he deny emergency assistance to a blue state that didn't support him the same way he voted to deny assistance to victims of Hurricane Sandy. And if he did, would that make any difference to his base, including evangelicals?