Dan...The ideas contained in this essay to legislate against anyone that does not subscribe to a groupthink topic is the end of free speech and democracy... shame on you
You sir, are a fool. Climate Change is not a "groupthink" topic. It is factual environmental scientifically documented REAL changes happening to our one and only planet ever since the beginning of the Industrial Revolution where we started burning fossil fuels and pumping them into our atmosphere. These fossil fuels were selected by nature to remain deep in the ground. But we chose to pump them out and use them as fuel and now we are seeing the consequences that scientists have long been warning us about. This column, this topic, is about the free speech that you claim to support. I can tell from your name "Take Back Manufacturing" that you are part of the problem that has caused this increasing climate disaster. You are clearly old enough that you only care about your own comfort. It is painfully obvious that you do not care about the suffering of future generations of our children and grandchildren who will struggle to live, to eat, to even survive because of the ravages of fossil-fuel-created thickening of our atmosphere. Shame on YOU, sir.
I am an unapologetic and unrepentant climate change emergency sceptic, and this is why...
Based on the facts gathered rather than the rhetoric from the sensation-seeking media and most of the over-politicized scientific community its very clear that the following approach will be necessary.
We do have a slowly and naturally warming planet, and this has been happening since about 1700 when we started pulling out of the last ice age.
The very low global levels of CO2 have increased due to this warming planet effect as CO2 levels are mostly driven by global temperatures, although we have and will continue to contribute due to industrialization and the significant global population growth.
Although just now there appears to be a correlation between increasing CO2 and increasing global temperatures that does not mean causation, and this position is very well supported by significant historical data, and so characterizing CO2 as the temperature control knob is wildly unscientific, but its conveniently feeding the climate hysteria group-think agenda.
The facts show that this climate change outcome for most of humanity will be positive with an increase in the food supply due to higher levels of CO2 contributing to plant growth and the slightly increasing temperatures extending favorable living conditions in the colder parts of the planet.
All of the climate scare tactics about biblical levels of floods, fires, storms and such are not supported by past trends or current facts, and although there is always a climate change blame game on any adverse weather conditions, these weather conditions over the long term have shown improvement trends, and so too has our ability to adapt or manage such conditions.
Some mid-term adaptions to climate change will be needed for some of us, but we have a reasonable timeline to react, and the cost of adaption will be far less than any ineffective and fruitless efforts humans may have to make any impact on the global levels of CO2 or temperature as many of these factors are the agenda of the planet and its relationship to the sun and the solar system, and way outside our control.
Also, any effective adaption will require a strong industrial capability that can only be provided with the accelerated use of existing carbon-based energy solutions such as oil and natural gas and plenty of electrical energy that is best provided via nuclear power. So going to Net-Zero and killing such adaptive capabilities will be life threatening for most of the global population.
Also, CO2 mitigation (Net-Zero) is not only fruitless and unnecessary, but mitigating these CO2 generating energy sources and industrial processes is proving to be both extremely difficult and significantly counter-productive to the prosperity of humanity.
The current fixation with so called renewables such as wind, solar, and the panic to move to full electric propulsion projects, even with heavy government handouts, are going to be highly ineffective in displacing the existing energy solutions and will clearly be hard on the western citizens pocketbook.
Also, this approach will do more harm than good to the natural environment, as their supply-chains will require extensive resources that will drive drastically expensive and dirty mining and refining projects.
These “green” projects are also proving to be a huge distraction for the economic prosperity and sustainability of the western nations. Their priority must be to focus much more on reshoring their industrial capability to reinstall value adding productivity and recover from the over-globalization of trade, and its negative effects on national wealth.
Over the much longer term we can evolve in a much more planned manner toward an energy supply using cleaner solutions via nuclear power and hydrogen etc., but energy generation and industries that use carbon-based solutions are going to be with us for a very long time, and they will need ongoing expansion, and will be essential for our adaptation to a warmer planet, and its going to be the only way to support global prosperity.
It will be foolish, unrealistic and self-destructive to consider any other approach.
This important message and the associated facts have been suppressed by the extremely dangerous climate catastrophe group-thinkers. The media looks for any transient weather condition to blame on climate change and encourages the crazies to find many inventive ways to link just about anything bad happening to a climate change crisis. Also, this “climate emergency” acts as a powerful magnet for a substantial portion of the population that is desperately seeking a new woke religion to follow.
What we need is a well facilitated national forum of experts from both sides of the climate change argument to better expose the truth, and then educate the voting citizenship on the real future policy options before we vote in any more democratic elections.
Some of our existing political leadership in the western nations have hitched their policy saddle to this climate change emergency mission, and for them it will be necessary to undertake a significant and probably impossible reset….. or withdraw.
Ironically, people who whine about "climate change hysteria" are the most hysterical people of all. The idea that reducing carbon emissions will causes us all to be poor and starve is laughable. Replacing coal plants with wind farms, solar panels, and nuclear reactors is not going to cause the sky to fall. In fact, electricity from renewable and nuclear energy is already cheaper than from fossil fuels, and that's before we account for the costs of climate change, air pollution, and mercury poisoning.
Similarly, the idea that powering our cars with electricity, hydrogen, cellulosic ethanol, or other alternative energy sources will cause us to starve is also laughable. In Norway, 90% of all new cars are either electric or hybrids. The sky has't fallen. People still drive to work and they still have food to eat. The power grid hasn't collapsed. Life goes on. Calm down and get a grip.
Wow..…A 100% irresponsible comment …About the only thing correct is the use of nuclear as a future energy source.. but forget wind and solar they are a fools errand for some of the reasons I described in my article.. We have so much data to support this that it’s a crime its still on the table for discussion….. They will inefficiently and badly attract the need for baseload by alternative fossil fed supply as they are very intermittent and difficult to integrate with any power grid.... and when you add the cost and damage of there supply chains and remove all the handouts they are very unaffordable..
Coal will be the fuel of choice in the developing world for much time to come.. get used to it… if not coal then they will cut down all the trees… Its happening in Europe with no Russian gas..
I was in Norway a month ago and yes they do drive some electrics over very short distances.. try that in our driving distances in North America and good luck with a recharge environment…. my pocket book as a tax payer will be hit hard as we build those… and we will be bingo on power generation in most areas..
Norway has mainly hydro power to spare and what makes me laugh is the socialist culture they are so proud of with significant government subsidies to support their direction is funded with what?... Oil and Gas extraction almost 80% .. So lets see how many electric cars they can buy when the have no revenue from their fossil fuel industry that drives that economy…
You appear uninformed on the costs of climate change.. Some climate change adaptation and changing nothing much on energy sources (other than nuclear) and no focus on CO2 mitigation is the least expensive and lowest risk roadmap by a long shot…..the alternative NetZero will be a prosperity killer.
You say.. ”The sky has't fallen. People still drive to work and they still have food to eat. The power grid hasn't collapsed. Life goes on. Calm down and get a grip.”…. Look… the reason that’s still true is that we are still working with an economy based on traditional fossil based power sources….. So please don’t use your rose-tinted glasses on that other planet you are on … Its dangerous to us all… As NetZero is a danger to mankind….
If you are prepared to listen…… I will provide some links to better inform.
This is a joke?.. I am well educated on the subject to know that this link is using the political party line from the UN ......who can not be trusted ... my alternative source that makes a better case to educate you...is at https://co2coalition.org/ .. take the quiz... They are a body of expert scientists that make the most sense ... I suggest you re-read my note at the end of this link..
My main point is that enough doubt exists that we don’t have an emergency with many in the population sharing that position .. so the actions is about getting the two scientific factions together and getting to the truth before we set such a dangerous self damaging policy that will achieve nothing but will damage our prosperity.
I imagine you weren't in favor of restoring the atmospheric ozone balance? After all, it is completely natural that the ozone layer would be depleted by Freon emissions? Well, guess what? The industrial nations of the world got together and the Freon matter was dealt with. Freon 2 is no longer eating our atmospheric protections from UV danger. Suere, we still have atmospheric invasion from excessive methane and CO2, but the ozone issue has been largely dealt with, thanks to environmental SCIENCE. You can keep denying, all the way to the grave.
But it's our kids and grandkids who won't be able to enjoy the luxury of "denial." They will have to deal with the circumstances you "deniers" have left for them. I too, am part of the consuming public. I can do more to cut our emissions. I've been trying to do that in little ways. But it's not enough. I still drive a gas powered car, have a second car also. We will switch to hybrids again, not being comfortable with the lithium ion battery now. But i am not a denier. I invest in what I know to be reliably run, well-managed "green" companies. I'll keep my eyes open for more. But as a nation, able to develop the fusion power capacity to power this nation? Well, if you're a long term investor, fossil fuel economics are not a long term bet.
I stand by my position …… and many are looking at the alternatives to the rabid NetZero journey … The freon thing cost us a fortune … still not sure its was necessary.. But CO2 is an even bigger nonsense… as it’s a clear part of nature.. Read what I wrote…. NetZero wont happen and all we will do is prostrate our society in the fruitless process.. I am sure history will say this was the worst groupthink event in human history. Maybe take a look at https://co2coalition.org/
I've been on this matter for most of the last 55 years. I would agree that "Net Zero" is shooting ourselves in the foot. But I also know that human consumption and production is belching more garbage into the atmosphere than we ought to be adding to this thin layer that keeps us from frying in our own juices. You can find some to support almost any opinion on the Climate matter. But as an old hand at this, I have experience to draw upon. But experience tells me that denying human contribution to climate change is like sticking one's head where the sun don't shine.
I can tell you are a thoughtful mind, and I agree that its difficult balance act... And I am suggesting we make best progress to clean up our act, but not at the expense of our civilization..... Its the panic and the black and white fervor of the environmental advocacy types that will do more harm than good... …
It is not yet clear CO2 is an issue, and if that is correct we are putting ourselves through a lot of pain for no gain and a lot of harm..
We need far more scientific review from both sides of the argument with open communication and with government with solid listening skills..
Dan Rather's substack link has been hacked. If you receive a response to your response to his article that says, "Contact me privately" danrather353@gmail.com, THIS IS A PHISHING email. And, MR. Rather, if you do see these phishing responses in the email string of your followers, PLEASE acknowledge and reach out to Sunstack for remedy.
Someone has hacked Mr. Rather's Substack account. Here's an example of the hack, for those you have received the "contact me privately" and the fake email address:
Yes. Absolutely fake. I'm so glad you gave warning. I was about to do the same. I received these responses when I tried to reach Mr. Rather:
Here's the second response from this bogus person:
"Dan Rather
Tue, Jul 11, 10:44 PM (8 hours ago)
to X
After updating my community I got hundreds of comments and emails asking how to put it to work,how to invest 1000 dollars in stocks.how to pick stocks to grow that thousand dollars,to the strategy I use for my own portfolio.
I'm currently working on 8 remaining payouts for my investors of today They invested in my private trading program and the returns are very great 👍
How would you feel if I give you a chance to participate in my private trading program that's going at the moment. "
And to Mr. Rather, if he receives any of this feedback, YOU HAVE BEEN HACKED!
I am concerned that many writers, including yourself, write as if this all will pass and history will move on to better times. As Rod Sering might write, imagine if you will, there is no future in which this era is written about. All past libraries of history have been burned a.k.a. Fahrenheit 451. Too gloomy maybe......
Dan and Elliott... the weasels of the internet are hacking you again. Today it’s from Dan. The message says to mail me privately at dantather353@gmail.com. Please advise your site administrators.
Thank you for writing this most disturbing, yet edifying post. For sure, humans have laughed in the face of the few who've issued warnings regarding human causes of global warming. The arguments against conservation, against technological innovations to scrub, to prevent, to obviate fossil fuel pollution have successfully squelched mitigation in many, if not most, cases. And, yes, greed, the push to continue amortizing the costs of environmental decay against the profits of yet to be realized from black gold, remains the determining factor in our current impasse. But Mother Nature recognizes no impasse. She simply adjusts to the conditions she experiences. She crushes land masses, folds them under, and creates new land masses. She moves oceans. She heaves mountains skyward and sends valleys deeper, or flattens terrain where she decides to spread her mantle. We have nothing to say about this. Nothing. We simply go along for the ride she provides us - or doesn't. And there lies the rub. Will Mom Earth decide we are no longer an irritant she can tolerate?
When I look back on my 55 years of focus on environmental matters, I am struck by my inability to find any qualified economist who could describe (what I have termed) a "Post-Petroleum Economy." Some dialog has been useful. But every discussion becomes mired in the fact that so much of our human world is dependent upon oil, coal, and natural gas for employment, wealth protection, even food stuffs, transport, and ancillary product manufacture, that the task of replacing this economic driver simply remains a fantasy.
Until now.
Now we know, we ACTUALLY know the true costs of a fossilized economic model. So, there is no more excuse for "ignorance of the truth." Sure, there are people who remain stuck in denial. There are others who simply resign themselves to a fate that exists far beyond their control. But there are others (myself included) who remain optimistic for the future of humanity as stewards of our planet, our only home in the Universe at this time.
And this brings me to a curiously vexing reality that I believe propels so much of our current war with ourselves over our collective future. Christian doctrine, Christian fatalism, Christian Fundamentalism and its believe in Armageddon and the Rapture. What a terrible fatalism this is, and how pervasive this belief system is in our political climate, our huge corporate power structures, and our geo-political positioning in (particularly) the Middle East.
How can I hpld that fundamentalist Christian dogma is key to understanding our collective refusal to clean up our planet, to stop raping our Mother Earth, ravaging her virgin lands and waters? How can I call Christian fundamentalist fatalism just another example of the Oedipus story? Well, we continue to ravage our Mother Earth in Greek tragedy style, blinding ourselves to the future that surely awaits us.
But wait!
Do your remember James Watt, Reagan's controversial Secretary of the Interior?
When confronted with his policy of "drill, cut, fill, burn, develop" every natural resource, his rationale was, "We're all going to meet our End in The Rapture," so why not take what we can now? Why not maximize our use of Earth's bounty? We will all meet in an afterlife where our belief in Jesus Christ's ability to save us means we have a "get out of our sinful ways - free." All we have to do, then, is accept Jesus Christ in our lives and, presto, eternity and grace shall be our final reward."
How is THAT for a fatalistic, anti-life, anti-environmental, anti-ecological philosophy? Well, Watt was outed, and he was replaced. But his views have only gone underground, housed in denialism of Climate Change and Global Warming. We continue to pillage our Earthly village because we have only to accept Jesus Christ and our “stairway to Heaven pass” will be assured.
I would like to know just how many of our fossil fuel corporate boards have Fundamentalist Christians making decisions about their company roles in contributing to Climate Change. If there is a Fatalist population in the board rooms, that will surely be a useful look at the hidden forces behind our resistance to REALLY meet the environmental challenges we now face.
I am attaching a link to a significant study of spirituality, religion, Fundamental Christianity and views toward Climate Change and environmentalism.
It says a whole lot about how we fight for a future on THIS plane of existence, on THIS planet.
Here it is. If you can read through the entire study, abstract included, you’ll come away with a real “Aha Moment.”
Good summary. But there is one crucial omission - and it’s the key problem: as long as Politicians can thrive (get voted in) while denying the facts, we remain screwed. To ensure they can’t, we have to get through to a large % of conservative voters. Facts that don’t fit someone’s world view just bounce off.
Yes. Absolutely fake. I'm so glad you gave warning. I was about to do the same. I received these responses when I tried to reach Mr. Rather:
Here's the second response from this bogus person:
"Dan Rather
Tue, Jul 11, 10:44 PM (8 hours ago)
to Gerry
After updating my community I got hundreds of comments and emails asking how to put it to work,how to invest 1000 dollars in stocks.how to pick stocks to grow that thousand dollars,to the strategy I use for my own portfolio.
I'm currently working on 8 remaining payouts for my investors of today They invested in my private trading program and the returns are very great 👍
How would you feel if I give you a chance to participate in my private trading program that's going at the moment. "
And to Mr. Rather, if he receives any of this feedback, YOU HAVE BEEN HACKED!
No, I don’t think it was a hack. More likely used his name & image to create a fake account - same for the previous one for Elliot. But I don’t know why the emails are deleted one by one and the person can keep posting the same message. This one was deleted but lots more have been posted. Changing the profile or ??? I suggested this morning doing an article on this and that Steady authors don’t contact people this way. Notices seem to go into a silent abyss.
Hearing about the new ways of reversing climate change, such as growing meat in a laboratory to reduce methane emissions, is encouraging!
Dan...The ideas contained in this essay to legislate against anyone that does not subscribe to a groupthink topic is the end of free speech and democracy... shame on you
You sir, are a fool. Climate Change is not a "groupthink" topic. It is factual environmental scientifically documented REAL changes happening to our one and only planet ever since the beginning of the Industrial Revolution where we started burning fossil fuels and pumping them into our atmosphere. These fossil fuels were selected by nature to remain deep in the ground. But we chose to pump them out and use them as fuel and now we are seeing the consequences that scientists have long been warning us about. This column, this topic, is about the free speech that you claim to support. I can tell from your name "Take Back Manufacturing" that you are part of the problem that has caused this increasing climate disaster. You are clearly old enough that you only care about your own comfort. It is painfully obvious that you do not care about the suffering of future generations of our children and grandchildren who will struggle to live, to eat, to even survive because of the ravages of fossil-fuel-created thickening of our atmosphere. Shame on YOU, sir.
Climate Change NetZero is a Prosperity Killer!!
I am an unapologetic and unrepentant climate change emergency sceptic, and this is why...
Based on the facts gathered rather than the rhetoric from the sensation-seeking media and most of the over-politicized scientific community its very clear that the following approach will be necessary.
We do have a slowly and naturally warming planet, and this has been happening since about 1700 when we started pulling out of the last ice age.
The very low global levels of CO2 have increased due to this warming planet effect as CO2 levels are mostly driven by global temperatures, although we have and will continue to contribute due to industrialization and the significant global population growth.
Although just now there appears to be a correlation between increasing CO2 and increasing global temperatures that does not mean causation, and this position is very well supported by significant historical data, and so characterizing CO2 as the temperature control knob is wildly unscientific, but its conveniently feeding the climate hysteria group-think agenda.
The facts show that this climate change outcome for most of humanity will be positive with an increase in the food supply due to higher levels of CO2 contributing to plant growth and the slightly increasing temperatures extending favorable living conditions in the colder parts of the planet.
All of the climate scare tactics about biblical levels of floods, fires, storms and such are not supported by past trends or current facts, and although there is always a climate change blame game on any adverse weather conditions, these weather conditions over the long term have shown improvement trends, and so too has our ability to adapt or manage such conditions.
Some mid-term adaptions to climate change will be needed for some of us, but we have a reasonable timeline to react, and the cost of adaption will be far less than any ineffective and fruitless efforts humans may have to make any impact on the global levels of CO2 or temperature as many of these factors are the agenda of the planet and its relationship to the sun and the solar system, and way outside our control.
Also, any effective adaption will require a strong industrial capability that can only be provided with the accelerated use of existing carbon-based energy solutions such as oil and natural gas and plenty of electrical energy that is best provided via nuclear power. So going to Net-Zero and killing such adaptive capabilities will be life threatening for most of the global population.
Also, CO2 mitigation (Net-Zero) is not only fruitless and unnecessary, but mitigating these CO2 generating energy sources and industrial processes is proving to be both extremely difficult and significantly counter-productive to the prosperity of humanity.
The current fixation with so called renewables such as wind, solar, and the panic to move to full electric propulsion projects, even with heavy government handouts, are going to be highly ineffective in displacing the existing energy solutions and will clearly be hard on the western citizens pocketbook.
Also, this approach will do more harm than good to the natural environment, as their supply-chains will require extensive resources that will drive drastically expensive and dirty mining and refining projects.
These “green” projects are also proving to be a huge distraction for the economic prosperity and sustainability of the western nations. Their priority must be to focus much more on reshoring their industrial capability to reinstall value adding productivity and recover from the over-globalization of trade, and its negative effects on national wealth.
Over the much longer term we can evolve in a much more planned manner toward an energy supply using cleaner solutions via nuclear power and hydrogen etc., but energy generation and industries that use carbon-based solutions are going to be with us for a very long time, and they will need ongoing expansion, and will be essential for our adaptation to a warmer planet, and its going to be the only way to support global prosperity.
It will be foolish, unrealistic and self-destructive to consider any other approach.
This important message and the associated facts have been suppressed by the extremely dangerous climate catastrophe group-thinkers. The media looks for any transient weather condition to blame on climate change and encourages the crazies to find many inventive ways to link just about anything bad happening to a climate change crisis. Also, this “climate emergency” acts as a powerful magnet for a substantial portion of the population that is desperately seeking a new woke religion to follow.
What we need is a well facilitated national forum of experts from both sides of the climate change argument to better expose the truth, and then educate the voting citizenship on the real future policy options before we vote in any more democratic elections.
Some of our existing political leadership in the western nations have hitched their policy saddle to this climate change emergency mission, and for them it will be necessary to undertake a significant and probably impossible reset….. or withdraw.
More at www.nigelsouthwayauthor.com
Your climate denialism would be actually funny if it weren't so tragic.
Ironically, people who whine about "climate change hysteria" are the most hysterical people of all. The idea that reducing carbon emissions will causes us all to be poor and starve is laughable. Replacing coal plants with wind farms, solar panels, and nuclear reactors is not going to cause the sky to fall. In fact, electricity from renewable and nuclear energy is already cheaper than from fossil fuels, and that's before we account for the costs of climate change, air pollution, and mercury poisoning.
Similarly, the idea that powering our cars with electricity, hydrogen, cellulosic ethanol, or other alternative energy sources will cause us to starve is also laughable. In Norway, 90% of all new cars are either electric or hybrids. The sky has't fallen. People still drive to work and they still have food to eat. The power grid hasn't collapsed. Life goes on. Calm down and get a grip.
Wow..…A 100% irresponsible comment …About the only thing correct is the use of nuclear as a future energy source.. but forget wind and solar they are a fools errand for some of the reasons I described in my article.. We have so much data to support this that it’s a crime its still on the table for discussion….. They will inefficiently and badly attract the need for baseload by alternative fossil fed supply as they are very intermittent and difficult to integrate with any power grid.... and when you add the cost and damage of there supply chains and remove all the handouts they are very unaffordable..
Coal will be the fuel of choice in the developing world for much time to come.. get used to it… if not coal then they will cut down all the trees… Its happening in Europe with no Russian gas..
I was in Norway a month ago and yes they do drive some electrics over very short distances.. try that in our driving distances in North America and good luck with a recharge environment…. my pocket book as a tax payer will be hit hard as we build those… and we will be bingo on power generation in most areas..
Norway has mainly hydro power to spare and what makes me laugh is the socialist culture they are so proud of with significant government subsidies to support their direction is funded with what?... Oil and Gas extraction almost 80% .. So lets see how many electric cars they can buy when the have no revenue from their fossil fuel industry that drives that economy…
You appear uninformed on the costs of climate change.. Some climate change adaptation and changing nothing much on energy sources (other than nuclear) and no focus on CO2 mitigation is the least expensive and lowest risk roadmap by a long shot…..the alternative NetZero will be a prosperity killer.
You say.. ”The sky has't fallen. People still drive to work and they still have food to eat. The power grid hasn't collapsed. Life goes on. Calm down and get a grip.”…. Look… the reason that’s still true is that we are still working with an economy based on traditional fossil based power sources….. So please don’t use your rose-tinted glasses on that other planet you are on … Its dangerous to us all… As NetZero is a danger to mankind….
If you are prepared to listen…… I will provide some links to better inform.
here is some links
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIXncWdwS-s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5nEboAQNcQ&t=2214s
https://nigelsouthwayauthor.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/Key-climate-change-questions-and-best-response.pdf
I suggest that you educate yourself about climate change. This lady does it well. Put your thinking cap on: https://youtu.be/oqu5DjzOBF8
This is a joke?.. I am well educated on the subject to know that this link is using the political party line from the UN ......who can not be trusted ... my alternative source that makes a better case to educate you...is at https://co2coalition.org/ .. take the quiz... They are a body of expert scientists that make the most sense ... I suggest you re-read my note at the end of this link..
https://nigelsouthwayauthor.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/The-Climate-change-Net-Zero-policy-is-a-prosperity-killer-rev-2.pdf
My main point is that enough doubt exists that we don’t have an emergency with many in the population sharing that position .. so the actions is about getting the two scientific factions together and getting to the truth before we set such a dangerous self damaging policy that will achieve nothing but will damage our prosperity.
I imagine you weren't in favor of restoring the atmospheric ozone balance? After all, it is completely natural that the ozone layer would be depleted by Freon emissions? Well, guess what? The industrial nations of the world got together and the Freon matter was dealt with. Freon 2 is no longer eating our atmospheric protections from UV danger. Suere, we still have atmospheric invasion from excessive methane and CO2, but the ozone issue has been largely dealt with, thanks to environmental SCIENCE. You can keep denying, all the way to the grave.
But it's our kids and grandkids who won't be able to enjoy the luxury of "denial." They will have to deal with the circumstances you "deniers" have left for them. I too, am part of the consuming public. I can do more to cut our emissions. I've been trying to do that in little ways. But it's not enough. I still drive a gas powered car, have a second car also. We will switch to hybrids again, not being comfortable with the lithium ion battery now. But i am not a denier. I invest in what I know to be reliably run, well-managed "green" companies. I'll keep my eyes open for more. But as a nation, able to develop the fusion power capacity to power this nation? Well, if you're a long term investor, fossil fuel economics are not a long term bet.
I stand by my position …… and many are looking at the alternatives to the rabid NetZero journey … The freon thing cost us a fortune … still not sure its was necessary.. But CO2 is an even bigger nonsense… as it’s a clear part of nature.. Read what I wrote…. NetZero wont happen and all we will do is prostrate our society in the fruitless process.. I am sure history will say this was the worst groupthink event in human history. Maybe take a look at https://co2coalition.org/
I've been on this matter for most of the last 55 years. I would agree that "Net Zero" is shooting ourselves in the foot. But I also know that human consumption and production is belching more garbage into the atmosphere than we ought to be adding to this thin layer that keeps us from frying in our own juices. You can find some to support almost any opinion on the Climate matter. But as an old hand at this, I have experience to draw upon. But experience tells me that denying human contribution to climate change is like sticking one's head where the sun don't shine.
I can tell you are a thoughtful mind, and I agree that its difficult balance act... And I am suggesting we make best progress to clean up our act, but not at the expense of our civilization..... Its the panic and the black and white fervor of the environmental advocacy types that will do more harm than good... …
It is not yet clear CO2 is an issue, and if that is correct we are putting ourselves through a lot of pain for no gain and a lot of harm..
We need far more scientific review from both sides of the argument with open communication and with government with solid listening skills..
Dan Rather's substack link has been hacked. If you receive a response to your response to his article that says, "Contact me privately" danrather353@gmail.com, THIS IS A PHISHING email. And, MR. Rather, if you do see these phishing responses in the email string of your followers, PLEASE acknowledge and reach out to Sunstack for remedy.
Someone has hacked Mr. Rather's Substack account. Here's an example of the hack, for those you have received the "contact me privately" and the fake email address:
Yes. Absolutely fake. I'm so glad you gave warning. I was about to do the same. I received these responses when I tried to reach Mr. Rather:
Here's the second response from this bogus person:
"Dan Rather
Tue, Jul 11, 10:44 PM (8 hours ago)
to X
After updating my community I got hundreds of comments and emails asking how to put it to work,how to invest 1000 dollars in stocks.how to pick stocks to grow that thousand dollars,to the strategy I use for my own portfolio.
I'm currently working on 8 remaining payouts for my investors of today They invested in my private trading program and the returns are very great 👍
How would you feel if I give you a chance to participate in my private trading program that's going at the moment. "
And to Mr. Rather, if he receives any of this feedback, YOU HAVE BEEN HACKED!
I am concerned that many writers, including yourself, write as if this all will pass and history will move on to better times. As Rod Sering might write, imagine if you will, there is no future in which this era is written about. All past libraries of history have been burned a.k.a. Fahrenheit 451. Too gloomy maybe......
Someone is spamming us here with Contact me privately messages from supposedly the writers.
I doubt this. I don't know how to make it stop, b ut it needs to stop.
My advice, DO NOT RESPOND
Use the three dots to report the scammer.
I don’t trust this.......
"Hopelessness is not helpful." Thank you for that four-word wake-up call.
Dan and Elliott... the weasels of the internet are hacking you again. Today it’s from Dan. The message says to mail me privately at dantather353@gmail.com. Please advise your site administrators.
July 11, 2023
Dan,
Thank you for writing this most disturbing, yet edifying post. For sure, humans have laughed in the face of the few who've issued warnings regarding human causes of global warming. The arguments against conservation, against technological innovations to scrub, to prevent, to obviate fossil fuel pollution have successfully squelched mitigation in many, if not most, cases. And, yes, greed, the push to continue amortizing the costs of environmental decay against the profits of yet to be realized from black gold, remains the determining factor in our current impasse. But Mother Nature recognizes no impasse. She simply adjusts to the conditions she experiences. She crushes land masses, folds them under, and creates new land masses. She moves oceans. She heaves mountains skyward and sends valleys deeper, or flattens terrain where she decides to spread her mantle. We have nothing to say about this. Nothing. We simply go along for the ride she provides us - or doesn't. And there lies the rub. Will Mom Earth decide we are no longer an irritant she can tolerate?
When I look back on my 55 years of focus on environmental matters, I am struck by my inability to find any qualified economist who could describe (what I have termed) a "Post-Petroleum Economy." Some dialog has been useful. But every discussion becomes mired in the fact that so much of our human world is dependent upon oil, coal, and natural gas for employment, wealth protection, even food stuffs, transport, and ancillary product manufacture, that the task of replacing this economic driver simply remains a fantasy.
Until now.
Now we know, we ACTUALLY know the true costs of a fossilized economic model. So, there is no more excuse for "ignorance of the truth." Sure, there are people who remain stuck in denial. There are others who simply resign themselves to a fate that exists far beyond their control. But there are others (myself included) who remain optimistic for the future of humanity as stewards of our planet, our only home in the Universe at this time.
And this brings me to a curiously vexing reality that I believe propels so much of our current war with ourselves over our collective future. Christian doctrine, Christian fatalism, Christian Fundamentalism and its believe in Armageddon and the Rapture. What a terrible fatalism this is, and how pervasive this belief system is in our political climate, our huge corporate power structures, and our geo-political positioning in (particularly) the Middle East.
How can I hpld that fundamentalist Christian dogma is key to understanding our collective refusal to clean up our planet, to stop raping our Mother Earth, ravaging her virgin lands and waters? How can I call Christian fundamentalist fatalism just another example of the Oedipus story? Well, we continue to ravage our Mother Earth in Greek tragedy style, blinding ourselves to the future that surely awaits us.
But wait!
Do your remember James Watt, Reagan's controversial Secretary of the Interior?
When confronted with his policy of "drill, cut, fill, burn, develop" every natural resource, his rationale was, "We're all going to meet our End in The Rapture," so why not take what we can now? Why not maximize our use of Earth's bounty? We will all meet in an afterlife where our belief in Jesus Christ's ability to save us means we have a "get out of our sinful ways - free." All we have to do, then, is accept Jesus Christ in our lives and, presto, eternity and grace shall be our final reward."
How is THAT for a fatalistic, anti-life, anti-environmental, anti-ecological philosophy? Well, Watt was outed, and he was replaced. But his views have only gone underground, housed in denialism of Climate Change and Global Warming. We continue to pillage our Earthly village because we have only to accept Jesus Christ and our “stairway to Heaven pass” will be assured.
I would like to know just how many of our fossil fuel corporate boards have Fundamentalist Christians making decisions about their company roles in contributing to Climate Change. If there is a Fatalist population in the board rooms, that will surely be a useful look at the hidden forces behind our resistance to REALLY meet the environmental challenges we now face.
I am attaching a link to a significant study of spirituality, religion, Fundamental Christianity and views toward Climate Change and environmentalism.
It says a whole lot about how we fight for a future on THIS plane of existence, on THIS planet.
Here it is. If you can read through the entire study, abstract included, you’ll come away with a real “Aha Moment.”
Sincerely,
Gerry Manning
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9603203/
And this happens just as I have a July 18 trip to Phoenix, AZ planned!
Good summary. But there is one crucial omission - and it’s the key problem: as long as Politicians can thrive (get voted in) while denying the facts, we remain screwed. To ensure they can’t, we have to get through to a large % of conservative voters. Facts that don’t fit someone’s world view just bounce off.
Bravo! Climate change is real and getting scarier every day. What can be done? Listen to the experts. They know what they're talking about.
Appreciate this information. What can Ed and I do to help make a difference in this problem? 🥰❤️🙏
There is a FAKE ELLIOT KIRSCHNER trying to get people to click on his profile in Telegram. (Ha! This is why I don't use Telegram.)
Here's the email notification I got:
Elliot_Kirschner replied to your comment on What Constitutes "National Security?".
👆👆☝️ Message me on telegram with the username above congratulations!🎁🤝
Thank you! I received the same reply to my recent comment.
Anyone who gets a scam message needs to REPORT it by using the 3 dots after "reply." This goes to the admins, who can then block the fake account.
FAKE Dan Rather!
Yes. Absolutely fake. I'm so glad you gave warning. I was about to do the same. I received these responses when I tried to reach Mr. Rather:
Here's the second response from this bogus person:
"Dan Rather
Tue, Jul 11, 10:44 PM (8 hours ago)
to Gerry
After updating my community I got hundreds of comments and emails asking how to put it to work,how to invest 1000 dollars in stocks.how to pick stocks to grow that thousand dollars,to the strategy I use for my own portfolio.
I'm currently working on 8 remaining payouts for my investors of today They invested in my private trading program and the returns are very great 👍
How would you feel if I give you a chance to participate in my private trading program that's going at the moment. "
And to Mr. Rather, if he receives any of this feedback, YOU HAVE BEEN HACKED!
No, I don’t think it was a hack. More likely used his name & image to create a fake account - same for the previous one for Elliot. But I don’t know why the emails are deleted one by one and the person can keep posting the same message. This one was deleted but lots more have been posted. Changing the profile or ??? I suggested this morning doing an article on this and that Steady authors don’t contact people this way. Notices seem to go into a silent abyss.