It’s called Gish Galloping. It is intended to flood a discussion to keep anyone from being able to respond. The RNC is good at it. It’s a cross between filibustering and taunting. Childish, unproductive and on brand.
“The technique wastes an opponent's time and may cast doubt on the opponent's debating ability for an audience unfamiliar with the technique, especially if no independent fact-checking is involved or if the audience has limited knowledge of the topics.” Wikipedia
I don’t think CNN cares. They didn’t care with the big DJT maga packed townhall. CNN said a few days before the debate there would be no live factchecking. The liar had plenty of time to get his list of lies ready and memorize them.
There's a term for this called the "Gish gallop," and whether Trump knows what it's called he's a master of it. You just lie and sling crap a mile a minute aggressively. By the time the other debater rebuts two (of the 10) lies his turn is gone and the whirlwind of lies still spin. Then it's back to the liar. It creates chaos and is especially effective against someone who stutters.
Yes it's a great column. I'd heard of this but didn't fully understand it till I read her column. The good guys need a countermeasure for this. I like his team but they did not serve him well last night. I predict they fix this.
Wait a minute ! This debate was Biden’s idea and he was the one who said no audience and other parameters. He in fact set up all the rules and Trump agreed. Trump did his usual schtick but the country and I were mesmerized by Biden. His appearance, his frailty, his answers, his expression. I wanted to cry for him and I watched until the end but I could not face the comments of all those talking heads gathered on CNN. I just knew they would call on Joe Biden to leave the race. Which is what they discussed and now the NY Times has weighed in and it was not pretty.
I don’t think the Biden team set up the no factchecking rule or agreed to it.
That one was announced later. Same for not having them stay on topic. According to the AP:
“CNN determined ahead of time that Tapper and Bash would be questioners, not umpires. They didn’t follow up questions — except to repeat those that weren’t answered — and left it to the politicians to try and fact-check“
I’ll add that DJT used that to his advantage. Not only did he lie but by staying off topic he got more time to lie when the question was repeated.
At one point DJT was interrupting Tapper as Tapper tried to go to the next question. Eventually Tapper told him something like ‘let me ask you this question and then you can do what you want.’
Mary, that’s his “special gift”, being a powerful virtuoso liar. So nauseating!!
I just don’t have faith that a significant percentage of American voters can discern that and base their voting choices on the obvious that Trump is a ticket to disaster for this country.
“CNN determined ahead of time that Tapper and Bash would be questioners, not umpires. They didn’t follow up questions — except to repeat those that weren’t answered — and left it to the politicians to try and fact-check.”
The CNN director said moderators were not fact checkers. That was basically left to Biden - as though you can factcheck & respond to questions in the time allotted. A definite advantage to the liar. Then when the liar wouldn’t stay on topic they’d let him blab and feed him the question again. He seldom mentioned the topic & got extra time for his lies.
Never mind them keeping up. The President had one minute per attack to respond to the lies, tell them what he has accomplished, and respond to the actual question.
No one, 82 or 28 could have a good response in that one minute.
I agree! I thought they were supposed to fact check in real time. I think Trump kept the lies coming so fast and furious that they couldn’t keep up.
It’s called Gish Galloping. It is intended to flood a discussion to keep anyone from being able to respond. The RNC is good at it. It’s a cross between filibustering and taunting. Childish, unproductive and on brand.
“The technique wastes an opponent's time and may cast doubt on the opponent's debating ability for an audience unfamiliar with the technique, especially if no independent fact-checking is involved or if the audience has limited knowledge of the topics.” Wikipedia
So very on point!
And it’s apparently very effective on those who stutter.
CNN should have expected that! The moderators let Trump run the debate - they were useless!
I don’t think CNN cares. They didn’t care with the big DJT maga packed townhall. CNN said a few days before the debate there would be no live factchecking. The liar had plenty of time to get his list of lies ready and memorize them.
Amen!!
There's a term for this called the "Gish gallop," and whether Trump knows what it's called he's a master of it. You just lie and sling crap a mile a minute aggressively. By the time the other debater rebuts two (of the 10) lies his turn is gone and the whirlwind of lies still spin. Then it's back to the liar. It creates chaos and is especially effective against someone who stutters.
Yes! Be sure to look for Heather Cox Richardson's letter commenting on last night's "debate"; she commented on this technique, and more.
Yes it's a great column. I'd heard of this but didn't fully understand it till I read her column. The good guys need a countermeasure for this. I like his team but they did not serve him well last night. I predict they fix this.
Wait a minute ! This debate was Biden’s idea and he was the one who said no audience and other parameters. He in fact set up all the rules and Trump agreed. Trump did his usual schtick but the country and I were mesmerized by Biden. His appearance, his frailty, his answers, his expression. I wanted to cry for him and I watched until the end but I could not face the comments of all those talking heads gathered on CNN. I just knew they would call on Joe Biden to leave the race. Which is what they discussed and now the NY Times has weighed in and it was not pretty.
I don’t think the Biden team set up the no factchecking rule or agreed to it.
That one was announced later. Same for not having them stay on topic. According to the AP:
“CNN determined ahead of time that Tapper and Bash would be questioners, not umpires. They didn’t follow up questions — except to repeat those that weren’t answered — and left it to the politicians to try and fact-check“
I’ll add that DJT used that to his advantage. Not only did he lie but by staying off topic he got more time to lie when the question was repeated.
At one point DJT was interrupting Tapper as Tapper tried to go to the next question. Eventually Tapper told him something like ‘let me ask you this question and then you can do what you want.’
Classic Trump. Lies and babbling.
Mary, that’s his “special gift”, being a powerful virtuoso liar. So nauseating!!
I just don’t have faith that a significant percentage of American voters can discern that and base their voting choices on the obvious that Trump is a ticket to disaster for this country.
CNN didn't even make the effort to fact-check. Maybe they thought that all they had to do was ask questions and present the program.
That was CNN's goal.
They did a fine job, didn't they, bless their hearts.
That was the plan. From the AP:
“CNN determined ahead of time that Tapper and Bash would be questioners, not umpires. They didn’t follow up questions — except to repeat those that weren’t answered — and left it to the politicians to try and fact-check.”
The CNN director said moderators were not fact checkers. That was basically left to Biden - as though you can factcheck & respond to questions in the time allotted. A definite advantage to the liar. Then when the liar wouldn’t stay on topic they’d let him blab and feed him the question again. He seldom mentioned the topic & got extra time for his lies.
They didn't try. It was despicable.
They were incompetent, plain & simple.
Never mind them keeping up. The President had one minute per attack to respond to the lies, tell them what he has accomplished, and respond to the actual question.
No one, 82 or 28 could have a good response in that one minute.